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John Catterson (@jfcatto) and Pete Whiting (@mr_van_w) are two Australian Flipped Educators. Together they talk education, pedagogy and current practice. Find more of Pete and John: Website - www.catfisheducation.com YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/MrCattersonScience YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/PWhiting
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May 1, 2018

John (@jfcatto) and Pete (@mr_van_w) are back from holidays to answer listener questions that have been coming in over the last couple of weeks. 

Despite John's "fat voice" https://youtu.be/1urXgf0gilg they manage to talk about:

  • Primary school teachers using music for good 
  • Social media accounts for teachers
  • The disappearance of the catfisheducation website.  
  • Some advice being a new teacher and knowing that there is a better way to teach but not seeing anybody doing it. 

 

New website: https://sites.google.com/view/catfish2 

Old website: https://sites.google.com/site/catfisheducation/ 

 

Apr 13, 2018

In this episode of Lefty Teachers Talking Teaching our guest-John, Matt Smedley (@SmedBoule), tells us how our children can best outsmart NAPLAN as if it is a thing that matters. He also points out some problems with the test in general. Pete (@mr_van_W) doesn't have much of an opinion about it really.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/naplan-writing-test-bizarre-heres-how-kids-can-get-top-marks/9625852?pfmredir=sm

 

Pete enjoyed the controversy of another article in the SMH this week, except this one didn't suck - we all just took it a little too personally.

https://www.smh.com.au/education/grandparents-education-gives-year-3-students-huge-naplan-boost-20180406-p4z85d.html 

Apr 5, 2018

On this weeks episode of Pete (@mr_van_w) and John (@jfcatto) both rage against some things that we feel are wrong in education, or at least within our little bubbles.

 

Pete: Secular groups call for review of 'blatantly discriminatory' school chaplains program Paul Karp

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/01/secular-groups-call-for-review-of-blatantly-discriminatory-school-chaplains-program 

John: Flipping teaching on it's head - Linda Morris  

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/flipping-teaching-on-its-head-20180327-p4z6gr.html

 

Mar 29, 2018

First up Pete (@mr_van_w) gives a shout out to our local university Charles Sturt (CSU), who have don some cool innovation in teaching in the School of Engineering 

John (@jfcatto) realises that the research kind of goes against his use of music in the classroom. He then tries to justify himself and eventually ends up questioning his current practice. 

Pete then brings it home with a criticism of beloved Progressive EduGuru Sir Ken Robinson. 

 

 

Pete: NSW uni course with no exams or lectures named among top 4 i the world by MIT - Pallavi Singhal 

https://www.smh.com.au/education/nsw-uni-course-with-no-exams-or-lectures-named-among-top-four-in-the-world-by-mit-20180328-p4z6pu.html 

 

John: Listening to Music while Studying: a Good or a Bad Idea - Carolina Kueppa-Tetzel

http://www.learningscientists.org/blog/2016/11/10-1 

 

Pete: We don't need no Sir Ken Robinson

https://gregashman.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/we-dont-need-no-sir-ken-robinson/ 

Learning salsa as important as maths, education expert says - Henrietta Cook

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/learning-salsa-as-important-as-maths-education-expert-says-20180327-p4z6f8.html 

Mar 22, 2018

This week Pete (@mr_van_w) calls on Eddie Woo to reaffirm the importance of schools and the importance of relationships within those schools. 

John (@jfcatto) has a look at some new research that shows the ATAR is about as relevant as we thought but much less so than most students or parents realise. 

 

Pete: Raising a child is mission impossible. That's why it takes a school. - Eddie Woo (@mrwootube)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/07/raising-a-child-is-mission-impossible-thats-why-it-takes-a-school

 

John: ATAR relevance questioned as report finds fewer students admitted based on rank - Shalailah Medhora 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-21/atar-relevance-under-fire-as-report-says-fewer-students-admitted/9569052 

 

ATARs losing relevance for university admission but students are still hooked - Megan O'Connell

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-21/university-admissions-atar-is-outdated/9567862 

 

A quarter of grads think their uni courses are useless, survey finds - Shalailah Medhora 

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/quarter-uni-grads-think-course-useless/9312446 

Mar 15, 2018

Pete (@mr_van_w) debunks the adage that we need to lecture kids at school because that will prepare them to be lectured to at university.

John (@jfcatto) questions the need for school at all and suggests a radical approach to home-schooling.

 

Pete: 'Sage on the stage' era of university lecturing 'is over' - Ellie Bothwell 

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/sage-stage-era-university-lecturing-over 

John: Don't send your kids to school and they'll go on to get a PHD. Wait, what? - Mammamia Team

https://www.mamamia.com.au/unschooling-in-australia/ 

Mar 10, 2018

This week we are joined by special guest Brendan Mitchell (C21_Teaching) who happened to be in our area. 

John (@jfcatto) looks at the problems with a very prescribed set of standards to teach to and why we should move away from specific and universal standards full of tidbits of specific information. 

Pete (@mr_van_w) considers different perspectives on the level of violence teachers can both expect and accept in the workplace.  

 

John: Moving Beyond Facts, Skills and the Right Answers - Alfie Kohn (@alfiekohn)

https://www.alfiekohn.org/article/moving-beyond-facts-skills-right-answers/

Pete: Secondary school staff suffer work attacks - BBC News

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-43290587 

Mar 8, 2018

Pete (@mr_van_w) looks at some of the decisions to make when implementing an effective Blended Learning program.

John (@jfcatto) briefly brings up some of the things to consider when implementing collaborative learning in class and then looks at some really handy tips for people starting out on their teaching journey. 

 

Pete: What Separates a Good Blended Learning Program From a Bad One - Rebecca Rosso

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2018-02-20-what-separates-a-good-blended-learning-program-from-a-bad-one

 

John: Why I don't like Collaborative Learning Structures - Chris Baker(@mrbakerphysics)

https://medium.com/@chrisbakerphysics/why-i-dont-like-collaborative-learning-1130c1979019

 

Advice for those starting out as a teacher... - Chris Baker

https://medium.com/@chrisbakerphysics/advice-for-those-starting-out-as-a-teacher-219b6f3af380

 

 

Mar 1, 2018

John (@jfcatto) takes haven in the safe ground of Edutopia looking at some of the benefits new teachers have over their experienced but perhaps stale colleagues and urges teachers to focus on the positives rather than the negatives of new teachers. 

Pete (@mr_v_w) looks at comments made by former NSW Education Minister Adrian Piccoli. Apparently parents are also somewhat to blame for their children's school results. Who would have thought?

 

John: The Advantage of Being a New Teacher - Matthew M. Johnson

https://www.edutopia.org/article/advantages-being-new-teacher 

 

Pete: Former education minister blames complacent parents for school results - Michael Koziol

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/former-education-minister-blames-complacent-parents-for-school-results-20180221-p4z13h.html      

Feb 22, 2018

John (@jfcatto) examines a teaching practice significantly different to his and explores some of the motivations behind this pedagogy. In usual TTT style, he comes to record with no preparation at all and mistakenly refers to a teacher named Ben as Mark for half an hour.

John also presents Pete's (@mr_van_w) article where the NSW Education Minister makes some positive sounding submissions to the Gonski review despite revealing the underlying misconceptions of politicians talking about education.

 

John: Am I allowed to sit at my desk - Ben Newmark (@bennewmark)

https://bennewmark.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/am-i-allowed-to-sit-at-my-desk/ 

Also John: Reduce HSC pressure in favour of a 'growth mindset', NSW tells David Gonski - Michael Koziol (@michaelkoziol) 

http://www.smh.com.au/national/secondary-education/reduce-hsc-pressure-in-favour-of-a-growth-mindset-nsw-tells-david-gonski-20180215-p4z0fo.html 

Feb 15, 2018

Pete (@mr_van_w) explores some of the many problems with the implementation of the Year 1 Phonics test of made up words in a sometimes tricky language to negotiate.

John (@jfcatto) dips his toe into some of the many ways to differentiate a mixed ability classroom.

Tips to teachers: Automate, choose jobs wisely and accept done is done.    

 

Pete: 'Plood, pove, moul': teachers push back against year 1 phonics test - Pallavi Singhal

http://www.smh.com.au/national/plood-pove-moul-teachers-push-back-against-year-1-phonics-test-20180212-p4z02l.html

 

Private school considers banning works of Shakespeare

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/38905133/wa-private-school-considers-banning-works-of-shakespeare/ 

 

John: A Starter Kit for Differentiated Instruction 

https://www.cultofpedagogy.com/starter-kit-differentiated-instruction/ 

 

"Work Smarter Not Harder" - Crystal Caton

https://educatingthedigitallearner.com/2018/02/08/strategies-to-work-smarter-not-harder/ 

 

Feb 8, 2018

Pete (@mr_van_w) is bemused by continued calls for banning mobile phones in classroom. Now in Australia.  Then at an anonymous strawman story of a progressive teacher who lost his way. 

John (@jfcatto) introduces an overarching framework that allows teaching professionals to identify when to apply different learning strategies for different students. 

 

Pete: Banning mobile phones in classrooms takes education back in time, experts say - Ashleigh Raper and Brooke Wiley

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-05/debate-on-mobile-phones-in-the-classroom/9397898

The lure of 21st century skills - (Anonymous via Greg Ashman) 

https://gregashman.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/the-lure-of-21st-century-skills/

John: Learning strategies: a synthesis and conceptual model - John Hattie and Gregory Montegue

https://www.nature.com/articles/npjscilearn201613.pdf

How Do You Know When a Teaching Strategy Is Most Effective? John Hattie Has And Idea - Katrina Schwartz 

https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2017/06/14/how-do-you-know-when-a-teaching-strategy-is-most-effective-john-hattie-has-an-idea/ 

Feb 1, 2018

This week Pete (@mr_van_w) manages to keep his cool over a website published by #hisABC that seems to serve no purpose other than to shame/enrage parents in both the public and private sector of education. 

John (@jfcatto) highlights the lack of correlation between college achievement and fame and fortune. 

 

Pete: You decide: Should you send your kids to a public or private school? - Cristen Tilley, Ben Spraggon, Nathan Hoad 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-31/public-vs-private-school-you-decide/8380980 

 

John: Why valedictorians rarely become rich and famous - and the average millionaire's college GPA was 2.9 - Shana Lebowitz

https://amp.businessinsider.com/why-high-school-valedictorians-dont-become-really-successful-2017-5 

 

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Jan 25, 2018

In this episode of Teachers Talking Teaching - @jfcatto is on holiday and enjoying a country music festival. 

He's replaced by sometimes podcaster and always rad dude @Smedboule.

He and @mr_van_w go through all of the things that give them hope in the new teaching year while throwing some side shade at John because ... well why not.

Jan 18, 2018

At a time when teachers are preparing to go back to school John (@jfcatto) introduces eight questions for teachers to consider to ensure students are engaged and not just compliant.

Then (@mr_van_w) spends half a podcast discussing a discussion he heard on another podcast. #secondhander

Spolier/Disclaimer/Edit: Finally, John awkwardly defends an offhand comment he made disparaging a beloved educelebrity.

 

John: How to Ensure Students Are Actively Engaged and Not Just Compliant - Katrina Schwartz

https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2016/12/09/how-to-ensure-students-are-actively-engaged-and-not-just-compliant/

 

Pete: The EduChange Podcast: John Hattie - Luca Parry *sp

https://podtail.com/podcast/the-educhange-podcast/john-hattie/

 

Jan 11, 2018

Pete (@mr_van_w) highlights another (un)forseen problem with NAPLAN and the NSW Governments new HSC literacy benchmark.

John (@jfcatto) uses an article as an excuse to present his opinion on mobile phones in schools. 

 

Articles:
Pete: NAPLAN: 87 per cent of NSW Indigenous students need to resit tests - Pallavi Singhal

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/naplan-87-per-cent-of-nsw-indigenous-students-need-to-resit-tests-20171211-h02ddu.html 

John: The idea of banning mobiles mobiles in schools is as daft as Canute attempting to hold back the tide - Bernard Trafford (@bernadtrafford)

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/idea-banning-mobiles-schools-daft-canute-attempting-hold-back-tide 

Jan 4, 2018

After a couple of weeks break. John (@jfcatto) goes on a deep dive into a review of the heavy theory of cognitive load.

Pete (@mr_van_w) flies a flag for little nerds and encourages teachers to listen without judging.  

 

Articles:

John: Cognitive Load Theory: Research That Teachers Really Need to Understand - Centre for Education Statistics and Evaluation

https://www.cese.nsw.gov.au//images/stories/PDF/cognitive_load_theory_report_AA1.pdf

 

Pete: Song of Joy- Teaching Students to Love What They Love - Doug Robertson (@theweirdteacher)

https://hestheweirdteacher.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/song-of-joy-teaching-students-to-love.html 

Dec 7, 2017

This week Pete (@mr_van_w) and John (@jfcatto) have gone on a study tour to Melbourne. 

Today we visited Templestowe College (https://tc.vic.edu.au/) who under the guidance of the Principal Peter Hutton (@Tempcol) are doing amazing and radical things in education.

We are joined on the podcast by colleagues Matt Smedley (@smedboule) and Tom Riley. 

We discuss teaching, Templestowe and how this translates to our our own teaching environment in rural NSW.  

Nov 30, 2017

This week Pete (@mr_van_w) hate-reads a blog post in which traditionalist takes psychological research out of context to prove a point and uses metaphors that don't make any sense. 

John (@jfcatto) shares a fantastic resource from the NSW Department of Education (DEC) and Evidence for Learning. After questioning what the C in DEC might stand for goes through one of their research summaries on Mastery Learning, which may make the "slight" improvement of 150% teaching efficiency. 

 

Pete: Novices use thinking skills. Experts use knowledge. - Adrian Cotterell 

http://adriancotterell.com/index.php/2017/10/09/novices-use-thinking-skills-experts-use-knowledge/ 

 

John: Mastery Learning - Evidence for Learning

http://www.evidenceforlearning.org.au/toolkit/mastery-learning/ 

Nov 23, 2017

In this episode, Pete (@mr_van_w) kick off at yet another downfall in the implementation of NAPLAN and the failings of useful data at a local level.

John (@jfcatto) doesn't mind the concept of Teach for America/Australia but thinks it sound a bit like a cult of poor implementation.

Pete then backs up with an article by friend of the show Steve Griffiths (@sciencesteveg) about research into pre-questioning enhancing retention of content in flipped videos. 

Next week: The premiere of John and Pete's new podcast where they discuss what Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson might talk about if he had a podcast 

 

 

Pete: 

NAPLAN has done little to improve student outcomes - Radhika Goror 

https://theconversation.com/naplan-has-done-little-to-improve-student-outcomes-86049 

 

John:

I Quit Teach for America - Olivia Bloomfield

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/09/i-quit-teach-for-america/279724/ 

 

Pete: 

Doe Pre-questioning Improve Learning - Steve Griffiths

http://flglobal.org/does-pre-questioning-improve-learning/ 

Nov 16, 2017

Pete (@mr_van_w) and John (@jfcatto) love The Rock and facial hair.

Finally, John probes into the disconnect between education research and classroom practitioners and perhaps the need for education communicators. 

Then, Pete talks about how new teachers should be built and supported rather judged and weeded out.  

 

John: Why don't teachers use education research in teaching? - Paul Maclellan

https://eic.rsc.org/analysis/why-dont-teachers-use-education-research-in-teaching/2010170.article 

 

BTW: Flipped Learning is pretty much a waste of time

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/exclusive-flipped-learning-leads-small-progress

 

Pete: Why Jessica quit teaching: She'd given her heart and soul to those kids but the SLT didn't think it was enough - Thomas Rogers

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/why-jessica-quit-teaching-shed-given-her-heart-and-soul-those-kids 

Nov 9, 2017

John (@jfcatto) looks at some practical tips to share with your students for engaging in "targeted study" rather than busy work. 

Pete (@mr_van_w) tells us about a new show coming to PBS next year that teaches preschoolers meta-cognition and computational thinking.

 

John: "How do I study?" Deliberate Practice in Exam Revision - Melinda Roberts

https://xavier.vic.edu.au/xavier/content/%E2%80%9Chow-do-i-study%E2%80%9D-deliberate-practice-exam-revision 

 

Pet: PBS Show Will Teach Preschoolers to Think Like a Computer - Jenny Abamu

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-07-03-new-pbs-show-will-teach-preschoolers-how-to-think-like-computers  

Nov 2, 2017

John (@jfcatto) looks at the difference between good PBL and sending kids off to look stuff up on the internet. Pete (@mr_van_w) how teaching metacognition can help students learn and then goes on an unrelated rant.  

 

John: Why every teacher should look into PBL - Alice Leung (@aliceleung)

https://aliceleung.net/2017/01/26/why-every-teacher-should-look-into-project-based-learning/amp/ 

 

Pete: The Role of Metacognition in Learning and Achievement - Chris Fadel and others

https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2016/08/10/the-role-of-metacognition-in-learning-and-achievement/ 

 

Also if You're Keen: Melbourne Declaration on Educational Goals for Young Australians

http://www.curriculum.edu.au/verve/_resources/National_Declaration_on_the_Educational_Goals_for_Young_Australians.pdf 

 

Oct 31, 2017

Pete (@mr_van_w) asks six (well. five really) questions principals ask before getting on board with new EdTech. John (@jfcatto) brings in some tips for doing better PBL.

 

Pete: Six Things Principals Are Thinking When They Get Pitched Edtech - Sara Shenken-rich  

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-10-20-six-things-principals-are-thinking-when-they-get-pitched-edtech https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/17/ellen-van-neerven-indigenous-poet-abused-hsc-english-students

 

John: How to Make Sure That Project-based Learning is Applied Well in Schools - Thom Markham (@thommarkham)

https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2015/12/02/how-to-make-sure-that-project-based-learning-is-applied-well-in-schools/  

 

Oct 20, 2017

After a huge day of flipping radness at Innaburra School, Pete (@mr_van_w) and John (@jfcatto) recap the day and some of the take homes. 

 

 

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